if all the tax cuts expire it's bad for the economy. the president understands he's got -- he's got -- talking about lincoln, you got radical democrats that don't want to touch entitlements or don't want to touch revenue and this president is going to have to hold both sides together. >> andrea mitchell, who knows washington, incite and out, they're saying nothing and they're saying nothing, right? >> i think there is some movement. maybe i am more optimistic, a lot are arguing you have fewer people in the middle in both parties as a result of the election and don't have democrats willing to make the concessions of on spending cuts and health care, medicare as you don't have republicans on one side, but i think -- i had bob corker on yesterday or the day before with klim clyburn yesterday and they were praise ing -- clyburn was praising what corker had to say. the president has a lot of leverage. what he said to congressman cummings, don't pack your bags. we're going to be around pore a while. i have alan simpson coming on our show. >>